It is just Not that black & white.... I am a Republican, but also Pro-choice. I would not have one, but think others can choose what is best! And believe the goverment needs to stay out of what I eat, drink & do with my own body!
The issue is not what people do with their own bodies- hack it up, commit suicide by being immersed in and swallowing poison that eats your skin away if you want. Pro lifers would not have a problem with you ending your pregnancy if you found a way to do it without murdering the completely innocent child. Sorry to say, that is not possible. Have the child, then give it to a couple who will love it. Simplistic, not what you want, but murder will never be the moral answer.
It is not even arguable! After conception - all science, biology and physiology concludes there are two distinct human bodies (unique dna, could be a male, etc.) and therefore, morally one does not have more rights to life & liberty than the other just because of its location. Either that or you agree that a woman has the legal choice to kill and destroy one human body so as to not inconveniece the other??
if you listened to her on the View...she said she is pro choice, that she does not believe government should have say in what a woman does with her body..this article says she thinks government should have a say...either a typo or firing people up again...I too am a conservative, but I think under the right circumstances women should have the right to chose...on the other hand, using abortion in place of safe sex is wrong...
"choose" is just a left wing euphemism as everyone knows. but unfortunately she's talking out of both sides of her mouth like a politician already, after only 1 year . She certainly could be the next Megyn Kelly very soon if this trend continues.
This one issue has cost Republicans more elections than any other since Roe v. Wade. In fact it may well be the reason that Democrats still exist, and it may be the only real reason that many people consider themselves Liberals/Progressives/Democrats.
Tell me what happens if you remove the fetuses membrane that engulfs their bodies while inside the womb? The body attacks it because it is a foreign body. Science prooves that this is not your body why would you chant my body my rules when it is not your body.
As a staunch pro-lifer, I couldn't care less that Tomi is pro-choice. She's just a libertarian. So am I. I think her argument is miserably flawed and I hope she changes her mind, but I do understand her point and I really don't care. Just because she said one thing I don't like doesn't mean she gets thrown under the bus.
All here people who call themselves conservatives are suppose to be for free speech. If you are going to ostracize a young, brilliant woman because she doesn't agree with you 100%... and has the temerity to say so... then you should join the pc police on the other side.
I would like to hear a cogent, thoughtful explanation of the difference between abortion and murder. It is my understanding that the intentional taking of a human life is murder.
I understand that exceptions exist, such as war, or state sanctioned executions. But I fail to see how abortion falls into either exception.
I want to thank all responders in advance.
@turtyle-you'll get NO argument from me on this issue-at conception there is life separate from either mother or father, though a combination of both-and, I believe, a unique, one-of-a-kind creation made in the image of G-d, never again to be repeated, one with a distinct purpose for his or her life. Have known too many infertile couples who would adopt. It is sheer laziness and downright malice on the part of a woman who should welcome her baby, no matter what the circumstances, to think murder could be an option! I don't think Miriam (Mary) mother of Jesus, ever once gave it a thought-even under the obvious awkward (for her time) circumstances, and neither should any woman. G-d works things out for those who seek Him, really, sometimes even adoption by a truly loving couple. Have seen this happen numerous times.
Quite correct Sharon. Each, unique one of us is created in the image of God.
The libs refuse to acknowledge that abortion is, in fact, murder. Further, many, if not most, deny the existence of God. I cannot imagine God views either situation favorably.
The denial of God is the gateway to the evil of abortion, and the rapid and pervasive slide in to all the immorality we see in our country, and the world.
If you believe in unalienable rights, life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, you cannot be pro-choice. That human life in the womb is a unique individual with its own DNA. It is not part of the mothers body and she has no right to murder anyone, in or out of the womb. That human life has its own right to life. We were all fetuses once. That was us at our earliest stage of development. Wether we are killed then, or killed right now, we would be just as dead. And there is no difference.
Lahren's quote below makes no sense to me. She's pro choice. She's for limited government. So she can't say she's for limited government. She thinks the government should decide what women do with their bodies. What?
“I’m pro-choice, and here’s why. I am a constitutional, y’know, someone that loves the Constitution. I’m someone that’s for limited government. So I can’t sit here and be a hypocrite and say I’m for limited government, but I think the government should decide what women do with their bodies.”
I wonder if the "but" is a typo and it should be " . . . that I think the government . . . ." Anyway, there are plenty who won't like my comment but up to the point the child can survive on its own (a period that is getting shorter and shorter as medicene procedures advance), then the woman should have any and all options about what happens to her body. It seems pro-lifers want all those babies to be born full well knowing there are not anough families to adopt them (remember all those orphanages of the past and the stigma attached to the children???). Having said that, once a woman has an abortion, she should be counseled re birth control because using abortion as birth control is not acceptable. Nor are third trimester abortions.
We should hope all would agree with this comment but alas I'm dreaming but to throw a growing, thriving and intelligent personality under the bus simply because one is opposed to ONE of her statements is Big Brother at his finest! This is a growing trend and does not bode well for our society. Remember, you may be casting stones today but tomorrow you may slip and say/do something that will get those stones thrown at you. You cannot assume you will ALWAYS be beyond reproach since there is no way of knowing what may offend someone somewhere!
She's saying she doesn't feel it's right to make the argument that Roe vs. Wade got it , if you're a limited government proponent like herself. However that's a reach, a specious argument at best. Either you believe in the rights of the unborn or you don't. Clearly she saying in her mind, they have no rights and are not babies.
Remember Roe vs. Wade came down to privacy. But the right to life, clearly surpasses privacy. The government can and should restrict abortion , especially late term and minors, except when it threatens the life of the mother.
If still confused, watch the clip again.
Have as many abortions to kill innocent babies as you want, but stop expecting the government to pay for them. Buy and pay for yourself, an insurance policy that covers murder. Government gets money from every working citizen and I do not approve of murder.
I'm like Tomita pro choice conservative. I agree with her comments on the government but my reason for protection choice is it's your body, your conscious and when we die and go before God it's your sin not mine. I don't judge those who do for the afore mentioned reasons, I may not agree but it us your choice.
The abortion rate has fallen consistantly since Roe v. Wade was decided in 1973. Abortion laws vary by state, but abortion rates have fallen in both states with abortion restrictions and those without. The keys to lowering abortion rates are reliable birth control, good health care for women and education.
Isn't everyone's goal to eliminate abortions altogether?
So why is the pro-life movement, who wants to ban abortion, also supporting legislation that restricts access to birth control and defunds programs that provide the education and contraceptive access to women and lead to lower rates of abortion? Since education and birth control have a greater effect on abortion rates than banning abortion, it makes more sense to me to vote in favor of women’s reproductive rights, which at this point is the domain of the pro-choice movement.
Tomi is entitled to her opinion, just like every talk show employee. Tomi is being grilled for her "view", yet joy behoumouth-behar is still employed right along w/"whoopsie" goldberg & the rest. I really don't think it kosher that Tomi is being targeted when real issues like Comey/criminal killary/Shumer/Warren/Pelosi/McCain/Waters/federal judges interefering with presidential executive orders, and so many other radically important issues need immediate address/action. Tomi should be permitted to speak her mind regardless of whom it bothers; that's the whole idea of having a controversial spot in the media.