Pitiful and despicable display of disrespect!! These spineless morons have distorted the true meaning of "separation of church and state". This term was first used by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Danbury Seminary (CT) in which he stated that our new country would not have a state-supported religion like the Anglican Church is in England. Sadly, this concept has been "bastardized" to mean something totally different. These pink-headed P***ies are as stupid as they are ugly!!
One of the most insidious problems we have in this country is the lack of respect for the faith of others.
The Dems took God out of their platform. Christians are persecuted, and hauled into court for adherence to their beliefs. Atheists scream bloody murder at any hint of religious activity on public land.
This nation was founded, and became the greatest nation in history, on the bedrock of Judeo Christian morals and belief.
If this trend continues, this nation will ultimately fail. If we fail, the world won't see our like for a thousand years, or maybe ever.
I pity the children, they will truly suffer for our failure.
Demonstrators disrupting a simple prayer, wearing pussy hats and worse in the streets, the violence and filth hollywood spews, all symptoms of a godless, directionless, and confused populace.
Like the song says, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.
Btw atheists and democrats, there is no provision in the Constitution or Bill of Rights for the separation of church and state. It only says the government may not have an official church.
'Seperation of church/state' is NOT in constitution. It says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...." Prayer, private or public, is not illegal and cannot be prevented in peaceful gatherings. Prayer & church service are two seperate things.
Did anyone notice the stupidity of the dumb c___ in the pussy hat who chanted through the prayer (how could you miss her) standing with her old hippy husband ? She threw her fist up in triumph during the applause at the end of the prayer, thinking the applause was for HER and her fellow subversives! Not only are these people bullies to the Nth degree, they are STUPID as well! I think it's about time that the folks who attend to have a civilized conversation with their representatives stand up, turn to face these pukes, and yell some chants in their faces, to let them know we aren't sheep that will allow their traitorous bullcrap. How about
'Hey disrupters, STFU! We came to listen, but not to you"?
Just more evidence of the democrats anti morality / anti christian hate. The democrat party is nothing but a huge hate groupe. They have traded in their white KKK sheets for the black masked outfits seen at their anti free speech riots.
The dem party needs to be called out for their hate mongering and anti American positions.
There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the constitution. It is a man-made phrase it meant the government will stay out of the church and not the church stay out ot the government. It is laughable to keep God out of government – every society that has done that has failed Miserably!
There is no such thing as 'seperation of church and state'! There is only 'no state religion shall be established'! Another lie The Progressives spread to 'Useful Idiots', and the conservatives fail to correct. One is evil, one is spineless. Why Trump won.
I am a Democrat but I say that the seperation of church and state doesn't and will never be possible in America. It was good to hear that the person offering the prayer continued until the prayer was finished. By the way not all atheist are Democrats and not all Democrats are atheist.
This term of separation of church and state is lauded as if it were spelled out in the constition or bill of rights. Wrong: it was first mentioned in October 1801 by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association. THIS HAS NEVER BEEN A LAW OR MANDATED STANCE OF OUR GOVERNMENT. What other letter has been elevated to such a high pedestal that no one dare tell its truth?
Stupid.....STUPID....idiots. At the very least they should educate themselves before they make complete f*&@ing STUPID IDIOTS of themselves! 'separation of church and state' as it is too often abused today is a fallacy - it is NOT meant to keep religion out of government. Indeed, our government is founded on the principal of 'One Nation Under God'.
Thomas Jefferson first coined the term 'separation of state' in a letterthe Danbury Baptist Association in 1802. In that letter he used the term to assure the association there would be no establishment of a national religion by Congress. This falls under the 'Establishment Clause' and 'Free Exercise Clause' in the First Amendment. The Establishment clause prohibits the government from "establishing" a religion. The Free Exercise Clause protects citizens' right to practice their religion as they please, so long as the practice does not run afoul of a "public morals" or a "compelling" governmental interest.
These clauses were never meant to be a means of keeping God out of government, but the government out of any citizen's right to worship GOD as he or she pleases. Take your 'pussy hat' off and try actually reading the Constitution and its Amendments....you know, that thing that gives you the freedom to make morons out of yourselves.
Start here: http://constitutionus.com/
Says a lot about his district. Tulsi Gabbard (D-2nd district HI) had a town hall meeting two days ago. She opened it with a prayer, and people were respectful. These pussies have no notion that Congress (both houses) has chaplains. Also the supreme court. And they do not understand at all what the Framers meant - simply that there would be no Church of the United States.
I read that they can barely GIVE those P***y hats away!
How totally disrespectful to women those stupid marchers were! Madonna? Judd? PLEASE PEOPLE!! They are just has-beens looking for 15 minutes to appear asinine and get their picture taken, and it worked! They looked ridiculous!
These speakers should ask these idiots where in the Constitution says separation of church and state. Then explain to them that they need to go back to school and learn how to read. Embarrass them in front of every one, ask them their name and where they are from. Maybe they will stop attending these meetings with the idea of disrupting them.
Someone out there...show me where in the Constitution it says "separation of church and state" but I won't wait for you because it is not mentioned at all in the Constitution. A lot of people are under this common misconception. There is no such thing.
This kind of behavior was one reason I didn't vote for Hillary or Bernie... The Democratic party has turned anti-Christian in their efforts to appeal to LGBTQ and Muslims and others. It is always about the votes for them. Not about doing the right thing. Our nation was founded on faith in God. Most of the Founding Fathers were either deists or Christians. Boy how our country has fallen. If there truly is separation of church and state, then churches should not have to file as non-profits in order to not pay property taxes, etc. they should already be exempt. They should not have to fear losing that status if they preach against homosexuality and other sins. Our country is a moral cesspool and people often wonder why there is so much hate and crime. It is because too many have turned their backs on God.
This is despicable behavior and a concerted effort to make Republicans appear to be losing support. All about the 2018 elections. What the fools are to stupid to see is that these organized stunts at townhalls and on our Sens and Reps Facebook pages is causing what used to be known as moderate Democrats to bail out of this insanity by the scores. Any halfway sane person would never want to be associated with these goons.
These liberal and democrat activists continue to show themselves as pandering to a new low - between Warren and Waters and Polisie and the rest of them (will you look at the ridiculous and tasteless garb!) they are turning the majority in the country off- including a huge amount of women who have no intention of being affiliated or identified with these classless human beings Who show themselves as thoughtless, bigoted, ignorant and disrespectful people who claim to be compassionate, concerned and for "freedom" of expression. I guess it is only if we buy their point of view- if not the rest of us are worthless, bigoted, racists. such colossal hypocracy on a scale that boggles the mind.
Yada yada yada! Cluck cluck cluck! Mythological nonsense belongs in a museum of Dark Ages era human history. No SANE person believes that rubbish. The fact is, Christians are simply not smart people. Respect comes from being respect-able. Christians certainly are not! For one thing Christians are overwhelmingly rude, for another, they are delusional, a mental illness. Many are bullies and most certainly it is a trait of Christinas to be hypocrites. Praying in public is frowned upon by the very creed that Christians claim to follow. Their arrogant self-righteous attitudes are anything but respectable. We are under no obligation to respect fools and their absurd notions. Period!
"Separation of church and state" is NOT in our Constitution ..... I challenge ANYONE to find it. It's not there. However, the concept is extremely important, and it was a major component of the shaping of our nation. As brilliantly written in the book "The 5000 Year Leap" by W. Cleon Skousen, our founding fathers wanted to STOP the abhorent practices of the monarchial European governments, and in particiular England's suppression religious liberty by TWO main strategies. (1) Church leaders were ALSO made into government leaders, and (2) Voting rights were tied directly to church membership. Our founding fathers put a stop to those government-derived religious suppressions as they formed the United States. Christianity however, was a major part of American life, and today we are lacking the morals and family values taught by Christianity.
It means the government cannot imposed a religous belief upon the populace. However it does not mean that you cannot practice your faith in public. If you wanted to pray you could, if you didn't you didn't have to. Freedom of speech for all, right to assemble peacefully for all, the right to worship of your choice for all. Without interference. ty Toledo Sgt
Separation of church and state means no state sponsored religion. I am an atheist but I have no problem opening the event with a prayer. I won't pray but I have no problem with those who do. Believe what you want as long as you don't try to force your beliefs on me. This goes ESPECIALLY for Sharia law!
how would you people react if a muslim, hindu, or jew got on stage and gave a peaceful opening prayer? especially a muslim... Probably with the same "disprespectful" tone that you are reacting towards these folks. The double standard is obvious here. You all need to stop being whiny snowflakes and accept the fact that your not everyone believes the garbage that is in the bible. Congratulations on letting the emperor Constantine brainwash you all these years later. Enjoy your worthless myths!
Seperation does not mean elimination. Actually the 1st Ammendment to the Constitution states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Once again these 'Protesters' have no clue what they are doing. They are just shouting ignorant blather.
First off!!! There is no mention of "Separation of Church and State" in the US Constitution! This however does not mean it is a Constitutional right or not ok. What it is referring to is case law by the USCOTUS Case of Everson V. Board of Education. I will allow you to read it.
@Coach, I hope this helps. The constitution nor the amendments say nothing about "Separation of Church and State." Here's what the First Amednment says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances."
You will notice that the words, 'separation', 'church' or 'state' appear nowhere in the text. If James Madison had ment that he would have written that. Jeffersons's letter to the Danbury Baptists is where the phrase "a wall of separation between church and state" is taken, and the use of it today is completely the opposite of what Jefferson meant. He was stating, that the government needed to butt out of matters of religion; otherwise the world (government) would corrupt the church. Anyone who has read the DOI cannot possibly believe that religious thought has no place in US government policy or practice. Read it: he cites "the laws of nature and nature's God", "Creator", and "Divine Providence", as stated in the closing statement of the DOI: "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor."
Therefore, these sloppy idiots chanting "Separation of Church and State" are anarchists, and anti-American. Unfortunately, there are many in the USA who are just as ignorant as these loudmouthed brats--many of whom are now teaching in our tax-payer funded universities--who never grew up.
It is important for critics here to know that many of us in the crowd -- who are NOT Trump or Bergman supporters -- were not OK with (1) the booing and disrespect shown the pastor, and the congressman, and (2) at the same time don't feel it's "OK" for an elected public official to push his religion, via a Christian prayer, upon his audience. An audience, I might add, who are his "employers" ... his consitiuents. What if -- however unlikely -- 50% or more of the people in the room -- again the people who EMPLOY Rep. Bergman -- were Muslim or Jewish Americans? What's the point of tossing Baptist prayers at them? Again, I am very grateful for Rep. Bergman's past service to his country. But -- again -- he should know that we are a big, diverse country with many beliefs, values and faiths. The "business at hand" at the town hall meeting was governmental policies. Not religion. Lastly, everyone in the room stood and pledged their faith to flag and country. If everyone here would remember WHO works for WHOM, this wouldn't be an issue?
When class, respect, and good manners were handed down, all the Dumbocrats in this country said "no thanks". They do not have one single iota of these things. Wish we Republicans had started doing this with the rsghead obummer's people. But, we have to remember - what goes around comes around. Our turn is coming.
The Declaration of Independence states that we are endowed by our creator with unalienable rights. This statement means that the people give consent to their rulers to be governed and not vice versa. It is the very foundation of our democracy. Destroy it and you destroy our freedom. Religion values the individual while leftists value the state. That is why throughout history they have set out to destroy religion and in the process have killed millions of their own people. God save us from their twisted ideas!
Americans may not be Christian, but Christians are certainly Americans. Our rights don't end as we leave the church doors, not does it end when we enter a public meeting, school, or government building. Separation of church and state is a horrible interpretation of our Constitution.
The General should have just left the townhall, had the doors and windows boarded up with the people inside and put a torch to the building. All of the problems would have been solved. Wonder how many of them would have broken into prayer as they were burning alive.
Well to all the whiny people in here just throwing out the "they are just disrespectful libtards" nonsense it does not matter who they are they could be all christians from a different sect for all i care there are over 30,000 sects of chritianity and other religions. The fact is that the retired general vilated the rights of others and disrepected them by violating the saparation of church and state by pushing his beliefs on others. They had every right to protest period just like you all would get furious if they allowed an Islamic preeceher hold an Islamic prayer at such an event publicly or any other religion that is not your own. You are all hypocrites and no different then the social justice warriors by acting like "oh that freedom is only valid if they have the same opinions as me". time to start earing the respect rather then acting like you are automatically entitled to it.
Christians have created the far left liberal SJW's had it not been for the constant attempts to brain washing every one and make them hate themselves for the way they are born or treat them as lesser for having different opinions and wating to believe in their own way or to reject belief until evidence is provide.
Also the fact that you all depend on science makes you hypocrites since science goes against everything your bible/books teach. so no more medicine, electricity, cars, or any modern technology better go join the Amish.
I am so freaken sick of these liberal fascists hypocrites!! For all their screaming and demanding respect, acceptance and tolerance for who and what they are and what they believe, while they in turn show absolutely no acceptance, tolerance or respect for anyone that has a different view point then theirs. they are the very bigoted fascists they claim to despise!!
I need a little help here. I'm reading my copy of The United States Constitution, and I'm drawing a complete blank reading the section that explains Separation of Church and State. Because it's BLANK. It's not in there! Further, that idea comes from letters and speeches written or given by some of our Founding Fathers. Notably Thomas Jefferson. Further the point of these communications was so he COULD PRAY in public without fear of persecution! That anyone could. That there would be no State Mandated Religion and Citizens could worship freely. The General is a citizen. He's allowed to pray. His praying is not mandating any religion. It's openly practicing his. Which was the point! How this got turned around is baffling. Swing and a Miss Lefties. And you once again prove the amount of class you possess is exactly equal to your knowledge of this subject. ZERO! As Usual.
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Trump was right ****George Soros who is Hillary’s son in laws uncle*** is funding numerous protests and owns over 200 radical organizations. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIxhcvBbty8
PROTESTERS ADMIT Soros pays them. BHO & HRC are in on it too. The DNC aids & abets this criminal who has warrant for his arrest in Europe for creating CHAOS with protests, manipulating the Banks and Hedge funds HRC & BHO aids & abets this criminal
http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/5405537532001/?playlist_id=933116636001#sp=show-clips FINALLY SOROS PINCHED Hillary BHO & DNC aid & abet this master of CHAOS. He’s wanted in many countries for doing this & has over 200 radical orgs including ANTIFA. He’s is Hillary’s son in law’s Uncle & his father is Mezvinsky
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Coach “What is truth?” I am glad to see you have an open mind and are looking for answers. I wrote a book “Republic Or Democracy Is There A Difference” a Handbook on the founding of America’s government in their own words, actual documents and not “Revisionist History”
I have a link provided to the Chapter 25 “Separation of Church and State”. If you are interested I invite you to read it and let me know what you think.
As I said in the Introduction this is not a religious book, but it is about a religious people. ‘These are their beliefs.’ These are facts that happened.
“It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself. Subject opinion to coercion: whom will you make your inquisitors?”
President Thomas Jefferson 1781 Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 17
Reference: Jefferson: Writings, Peterson ed., Library of America
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What is happening to our world when a retired General in our military (served to protect our rights) opens with a prayer of thanks and hope?? He is not forcing a religion on anyone that was what "separation of Church and State is all about not a prayer of thanks and hope. These people are ignorant idiots. Through God I hope that these people will see grace.
I wonder what the old guy in what looks like a vfw hat was thnking while sitting there. He probably thought sit down you morons and let the meeting commence. But he was to principaled to say anthing. It didn't look like there were to many people shouting some were standing probably out of respect. Its a wonder somebody didn't try to tear the flag down and burn it. By the way nice beard not.
Too many fail to grasp the real meaning of "separation of church and state" as addressed in a letter by Thomas Jefferson. He meant that the government would not institute a state church, such as what occurred in England. It does not mean to exclude God from government. These people were trampling upon the rights of others.
It has always been the Liberal mime that Conservatves are a bunch of closed minded miscreants who climb out from under a rock to thump their bibles and chastise others who believe differently than themsleves. Those chracteristics are on display here as the Liberal mindset is shown to be closed while they harrass others who think differently than themselves. Conservatism is for thinkers who venture off the beaten path, Liberalism is the broad road tread upon by simple followers.