Retired USMC General Booed for Opening Congressional Town Hall With Prayer — ‘Separation of Church and State!’
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  • RickD.7 months ago

    Pitiful and despicable display of disrespect!! These spineless morons have distorted the true meaning of "separation of church and state". This term was first used by Thomas Jefferson in a letter to Danbury Seminary (CT) in which he stated that our new country would not have a state-supported religion like the Anglican Church is in England. Sadly, this concept has been "bastardized" to mean something totally different. These pink-headed P***ies are as stupid as they are ugly!!

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    • Marina7 months ago

      @Coach "Separation of church and state" means you do not force anyone to your own religion, Christians do not force anyone to believe in Christ, however this country was founded on the believe that God exists, see you money "in God we Trust", the pledge of allegiance "one nation under God undivisible.."and the fact that the founders of the country were indeed also Christian believers, but did not to impose their beliefs on anyone else as they themselves were imposed the Protestants  Anglican doctrines. 

      The basic Christian beliefs are to follow the "10 commandments" essentially common sense like, Honor your father and your mother.You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor, You shall not covet.

      On the other hand Sharia Law promotes killing of anyone that doesn't follow their beliefs, the libs are intolerant and prone to violence of anyone that doesn't agree with their narrative.

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    • Marina7 months ago

      The libs want separation of church and state, they want christians to respect muslim traditons , Sharia law, the pussy cat hat , BLM, and antifa cults.

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    • George E. Klump7 months ago

      RickD.: Unfortunately for the liberal ritards here, you are absolutely correct.  Thomas Jefferson did write a letter to the seminary on this issue.  Jefferson was never against Christianity at any point.  In fact he said more than once that America was founded unequivocally on the Judaeo-Christian heritage and would work only within that heritage.  In one of his very last letters, he stated this even more explicitly, articulating his own personal beliefs, which were quite solid, since it was to a private individual and he requested that the contents of his letter be kept just between them.  

      Abraham Lincoln himself confessed, as he came onto the field at Gettysburg to give his famous speech, that he was convinced more than ever by what he saw, the bodies of men who had given everything in the cause of freedom, that Christ was truly the Son of God.

      The case of the Church of the Holy Trinity vs. United States reaffirmed all of this, that America was founded as a Christian country and that all laws of the USA were rooted in this tradition.  Further, various pronouncements by different government officials, State and Federal, over time were completely consonant with this and that Christianity stood watch over every law passed in every State and in the US Congress.  This decision has never been challenged.  

      Jefferson never advocated nor did any of the other Founding Fathers, that Christianity needed to be disavowed as a condition for holding public office.  Even today, European nations have a state tax which everyone must pay.  This tax goes directly to the official church of the particular country.  This is exactly what Jefferson inveighed against.  However, he did write that immigrants from cultures hostile to America would not work out well here, unless they adopted our language, our values, our mores and our religious traditions, meaning any denomination or none at all.  When he wrote these views, he had Islam in mind.      

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    • KayDee Walburn7 months ago

      @coach, I kinda had the same thoughts as you did until I read the "Left Behind" series (and read it fast it was so engaging for me).  From those stories, I learned about Jesus and finally understood what John 3:16 really means.  I asked Jesus to save me, and He has; and He's spoken to me - you will know it too when He speaks to you - it is undeniable.  Be humble, that's when you learn the truth.  God Bless!

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    • Ilse Dujmovic7 months ago

      I get the news later than you being on the West Coast and meant to say the exact same thing you said the these morons do not understand what "seperation of church and State meant" But what would we expect from them. These Primarily Anarchists are paid protesters and not because they have something between their ears.

      If ever there are questions to individuals one can tell how stupid they really are. Get educated people.

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    • John Sharpensteen7 months ago

      Hey @coach, How goes it. I am curious, you claim to believe in God but not the Bible or Jesus. Just what are your beliefs and thoughts about God?

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    • KayDee Walburn7 months ago

      You tell them Rick!  The ignorant always speak the loudest!

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    • @Coach7 months ago

      Please explain further, I am not being contrary, I really want to know about what the "separation of church and state" really means. I have also long thought that it meant that we are NOT under the church's power and can NOT be forced to pray and that our country was to be considered a "melting pot" of people and religions. Yet it seems that christianity is being forced upon us. I am all FOR Trump. I just want to understand this separation better as I am NOT a christian but believe in God. Just not Christ or the bible. I am currently reading "Letters from a Skeptic" to see if I can understand better. 

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    • Lee Jenkins7 months ago

      @Coach, read C.S. Lewis' book "The Screwtape Letters."  It might help clarify your thinking.

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    • @Cluders7 months ago

      @Coach, Mere Christianity is excellent also.  

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    • @DoughertyPM7 months ago

      And we see how much they really care about separation of church and state as they remamn silent while schools teach  Islam

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    • Rob Weinhold7 months ago

      Exactly correct interpretation of what Jefferson said. There is nothing in the Constitution that says there is a separation of the institutions of church and state. The Founders wanted to control the power that each had over the other. In fact, there was a close connection and healthy relationship between church and state. Recall when Lutheran pastor Muhlenbetg peeled off his clergy garb in the middle of a church service and marched out of the sanctuary to join the colonists in the fight against England during the Revolution. One institution needed the other and they developed a strong relationship that supported the principles our country was founded upon. Thank God for that and for the wisdom of our Founders who struck the correct balance between church and state and propelled our Contitutional and Democratic Republic towards the exceptional nation we have become. 

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    • @Mr_Anderson7 months ago

      even though the far liberal left has gone to far with their social justice crap they where disrespected first by a clear violation of their rights when he pushed his beliefs and faith on them with out persmission in a government event where religion is not supposed to be publically displayed.  Christians created the SJW's that are causing so many problems by constantly trying to push your antiquated nonsense onto people who dont want it.  Not to mention the people born homosexual or gender dysphoric are taught to hate themselves by the bible for the way they where born something out of their control so they grow up to resent religion even more or they become one of those self hating anti-gay christian fundies who pushes harmful legislation and then gets caught with a young boy.

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    • @Mr_Anderson7 months ago

      @mariina actually the USA was founded on 100% secular values in fact the first amendment alone spits on the first 3 of the 10 commandments.  Freedom of speech is another thing the church never liked and even tortured and killed people for in the past.  The colonies of the 13 that will controlled by christians where just as oppressive and bad as britan which is why each religion was forming a new coloney the only reason they made nice was they needed each other to fight the british.  The founding fathers knew full well that the strongest, most organized, and wealthiest of the religions would rapidly take control of the new government if they didnt prevent it so that is why they pennded the first amendment and later added the saparation of church and state.  through out history every time the church had control of the governmetn great evil was commited.  If it wasnt for the bible the slavery of the blacks would not have happened the bible not only condoned it but gave permision to enslave thouse outside of your culture/group.  

      Religion needs to be kept out of the government and public education period it needs to be kept even more private then sex to be honest.  both sides are equally as bad when it comes to the SJW's and the chrsitian fundies you are actually the same just with different ideologies.  So far the only difference is that the SJW's are willing to get violent over words something christians used to do a lot historically good to see they are not reverting to that.  Self defense if attacked first is a different story and fully justified.  SJW's dont have a god with their religion of social justice so they use labels to justify violence such as fascist and nazi.

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    • Ken Cordle7 months ago

      RickD. I wrote a rather long winded (as usual) version of what you said succinctly. The letters intent was so he could pray openly. Christ Help Us, how is the rewriting of history allowed to happen, especially something like this? Ugh!

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  • Katie7 months ago

    Pussy  hats, shou)ddo give a clue  that they're just there to make trouble.  Congratulations to the pastor for continuing his prayer. The Pussy hats need it!

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    • Patriot342877 months ago

      Wonder if they think those disgusting hats will need to have one tip cut off if their beloved radiacal islamists take over and perform female genital mutilation on them.

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  • Anonymous7 months ago

    One of the most insidious problems we have in this country is the lack of respect for the faith of others.

    The Dems took God out of their platform. Christians are persecuted, and hauled into court for adherence to their beliefs. Atheists scream bloody murder at any hint of religious activity on public land.

    This nation was founded, and became the greatest nation in history, on the bedrock of Judeo Christian morals and belief.

    If this trend continues, this nation will ultimately fail. If we fail, the world won't see our like for a thousand years, or maybe ever.

    I pity the children, they will truly suffer for our failure.

    Demonstrators disrupting a simple prayer, wearing pussy hats and worse in the streets, the violence and filth hollywood spews, all symptoms of a godless, directionless, and confused populace.

    Like the song says, if you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything.

    Btw atheists and democrats, there is no provision in the Constitution or Bill of Rights for the separation of church and state. It only says the government may not have an official church.

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    • @Vinuzzo7 months ago

       Well, you can thank the Warren SCOTUS for buying Madeline Mrray O'Hare's line of bullshit. 

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    • Becky Fahrenkrog7 months ago

      Yet the 5 Pillars of Islam is being taught in some of the public schools & Christians are now protesting with minimal results!

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    • @Betty7 months ago

      You said it right "the lack of respect for the faith of others." Being Muslim is not a race it is  a religion.  People should respect ALL religions not just the one that they practice if we all did that what a better world we would live in.  Everyone wants to be a dictator instead of just doing your thing and respecting what others choose to do.  If you or anyone else took the time to read the Muslim bible it's not that much different it speaks of love and peace.  I'm a Christian and for all Christians out there read your bible there is a very important scripture on, "Thou Shalt Not Judge". 

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    • Charles V7 months ago

      "Btw atheists and democrats, there is no provision in the Constitution or Bill of Rights for the separation of church and state. It only says the government may not have an official church."

        Apparently that is too deep for them to grasp!  Pretty simple really...

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    • @DoughertyPM7 months ago

      True, the phrase "separation of church and state"  was excerpted from a letter written by Jefferson to the Danbury Baptists in order to assure them that the government wouldnt be giving their churchvany troulble.

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  • @cheetah7 months ago

    'Seperation of church/state' is NOT in constitution. It says "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;...."  Prayer, private or public, is not illegal and cannot be prevented in peaceful gatherings. Prayer & church service are two seperate things.

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    • @Magnolia7 months ago

      Coach: When the people left England and came to this country it was to escape religious persecution. The king had established the church of England and demanded attendance. The founders wanted to be sure the same didn't happen in the new country. Our country was founded on Judeo Christian principles - all anyone has to do is to view the writings of the founders and look at the monuments in DC (many have scripture written on them) to realize this but the founders would have never interfered in people's faith and how they practiced it. Or if they chose to NOT practice any faith.  After all, they left their mother country to escape this. However, they never intended that people of faith couldn't be involved in government or had to leave their faith out of government. And as Rick D said above, the phrase "separation of church and state" only appeared in a letter Thomas Jefferson wrote to the Danbury Baptists. It is nowhere in the Constitution.  So, in short,  the founders wanted to keep the government out of the church (people) but never intended to keep the church (people of faith) out of gov.

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    • @Knifemaker7 months ago

      Cheetah--I love your reply.

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    • Dixon Harvey Dudderar7 months ago

      (1) please study numerous Supreme Court rulings on your topic (the ESTABLISHMENT CLAUSE). (2) You are speaking, not of the Constitution, but the First Amendment and, lastly (3) neither "prayer" nor "church services" are appropriate for public officials when they meet with their constituents. Imagine meeting your congressional representative, one-on-one in private, he asks you to kneel and pray with him or her -- to Jesus? Or a Muslim U.S. Senator, who asked you to pray with him to Allah? When, in fact, you're asking him about health care? Or miliatary spending? Or lousy veterans care at the V.A. Hospital? It's all "protected" by the First Amendment ... BUT it's protected -- for YOU -- in your home, church, temple, mosque or synagogue. The venue in Gaylord was none of those ... 

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  • tutu7 months ago

    Your hats will not protect you when you meet your maker my dears.  

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  • Diana Tome7 months ago

    Every event should begin with an opening prayer.

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    • Dixon Harvey Dudderar7 months ago

      By a Rabbi? An Inman? What kind of prayer? Every PUBLIC event? Who gets to choose the preacher or pastor? We swear, in this country, alligiance to flag and country. Not to your god or mine. Especially in a pubic/government setting. The "under god" part, BTW, was added in 1948 ... due to the fear of communisim, etc. 

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  • Marguerite A Trombino7 months ago

    God bless this pastor.Lol! Democrats keep digging their own grave..They are against all that is good.

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    • KayDee Walburn7 months ago

      Moreso, they are stubborn, ignorant, hence lost.  While their behaviour is reprehensible, as Christians, we must engage them to enter the path to the Light, the Truth, the WAY, no?  I may not be the best person to show them a carrot and get them there, but if I can change, so can others.. God Bless!

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    • Michael Plaugher7 months ago

      That may be true but mostly those that voted for the President or at least not for hilliary see the true meaning of liberal left agenda to pull America down by any and all mean available be it legal or in their case illegal. Seeing the way some republican law makers act against the voters that elected them, they to want to see us fall or fail also. SORRY Kaydee pictured poped up with push of a button

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  • Anonymous7 months ago

    Did anyone notice the stupidity of the dumb c___ in the pussy hat who chanted through the prayer (how could you miss her) standing with her old hippy husband ?  She threw her fist up in triumph during the applause at the end of the prayer, thinking the applause was for HER and her fellow subversives!  Not only are these people bullies to the Nth degree, they are STUPID as well!  I think it's about time that the folks who attend to have a civilized conversation with their representatives stand up, turn to face these pukes, and yell some chants in their faces, to let them know we aren't sheep that will allow their traitorous bullcrap.  How about 

    'Hey disrupters, STFU! We came to listen, but not to you"?

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    • @Knifemaker7 months ago

      Michael Noone---Very perceptive, and I would call her a dumb cow, but then I'd be lowering myself to her level.

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  • Tony Curran7 months ago

    Our Nation was founded on Religious Freedom. Those who chose not to believe are free to do so but ARE NOT free to attack others who do. Maybe we should take a page out of their play book and start attacking them !!

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    • KayDee Walburn7 months ago

      I've felt that way often, but I find it difficult to assault people just because they have a different opinion.  Now if I see someone abusing the helpless or weak, I get pissed off and might not be able to restrain myself... 

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    • Dixon Harvey Dudderar7 months ago

      You forget that the "freedom" you speak of is also the "freedom" to NOT have to hear your prayers? Is it not? Would you condone a private meeting with, say, a Jewish U.S. Representative who, before he addressed your concerns, wanted you to pray with him? According to HIS faith/religion? How about a Muslim prayer for you both, in his office ... or townhall meeting? Our Constitution protects ALL of those faiths, does it not? Where do you draw the line?

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  • Kenneth Goodin7 months ago

    Just more evidence of the democrats anti morality / anti christian hate. The democrat party is nothing but a huge hate groupe. They have traded in their white KKK sheets for the black masked outfits seen at their anti free speech riots.

    The dem party needs to be called out for their hate mongering and anti American positions.

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    • @Coach7 months ago

      Just asking but is Anti-chrisianity and anti-Americanism the same thing? I feel like I am all FOR the US but not christianity as a religion, which it wasn't meant to be anyway. 

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    • @Betty7 months ago

      Really??? Those who throw the first stone better look in their own backyard first you don't live in a glass house so please Stop judging others as you will be judged harsher.  Read the word??

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    • Dixon Harvey Dudderar7 months ago

      Many of us ARE Christian. We just don't think it's RIGHT for others to be forced to hear our prayers? That others are FREE to NOT have to do that. It's not complicated ... We RESPECT others who do NOT have religious feelings, etc. = THAT is what makes America "great." It's called REAL "liberty."

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  • Chandra Kelly7 months ago

    There is no such thing as separation of church and state in the constitution. It is a man-made phrase it meant the government will stay out of the church and not the church stay out ot the government.  It is laughable to keep God out of government – every society that has done that has failed Miserably!

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    • John Sharpensteen7 months ago

      Sorry coach but I have to ask another question. How do you know that DJT considers himself to be a strong religious person? I have seen no evidence of that fact. You are right though, Christianity has to be accepted freely and willingly. Not forced in any way. 

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    • @Coach7 months ago

      No Chandra, I believe that they are talking about "christianity" as a religion, not God. They want (like you), for everyone to think of themself as a christian which goes AGAINST American beliefs. I know that DJT considers himself a strong religious person, and that is fine, but I also do not want christianity shoved down my throat! I do however feel that in the privacy of their own hearts that a person is allowed to believe whatever as long as they also do not shove it AT anybody else. 

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  • captain morgan7 months ago

    There is no such thing as 'seperation of church and state'! There is only 'no state religion shall be established'! Another lie The Progressives spread to 'Useful Idiots', and the conservatives fail to correct. One is evil, one is spineless. Why Trump won.

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  • John Sharpensteen7 months ago

    I am a Democrat but I say that the seperation of church and state doesn't and will never be possible in America. It was good to hear that the person offering the prayer continued until the prayer was finished. By the way not all atheist are Democrats and not all Democrats are atheist. 

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  • Linda Basinger7 months ago

    My, but prayer must be scary to liberals.

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    • @Magnolia7 months ago

      Prayer to liberal regressives is like a cross to a vampire.

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    • KayDee Walburn7 months ago

      People fear what they do not understand.  They do not understand Jesus, they fear our love for what they fail to understand.  However, anyone can learn if one is willing to set aside their fear, anger, and pride.

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  • L G Moore7 months ago

    This term of separation of church and state is lauded as if it were spelled out in the constition or bill of rights.  Wrong: it was first mentioned in October 1801 by Thomas Jefferson to the Danbury Baptist Association.  THIS HAS NEVER BEEN A LAW OR MANDATED STANCE OF OUR GOVERNMENT.  What other letter has been elevated to such a high pedestal that no one dare  tell its truth?

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  • @shadowsofiga7 months ago

    Those twat heads need a good fuckin' with my steel-toed jack boots!

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  • @Tess7 months ago

    Stupid.....STUPID....idiots.  At the very least they should educate themselves before they make complete f*&@ing STUPID IDIOTS of themselves!   'separation of church and state' as it is too often abused today is a fallacy - it is NOT meant to keep religion out of government.  Indeed, our government is founded on the principal of 'One Nation Under God'.  

    Thomas Jefferson first coined the term 'separation of state' in a letterthe Danbury Baptist Association in 1802.  In that letter he used the term  to assure the association there would be no establishment of a national religion by Congress.    This falls under the 'Establishment Clause' and 'Free Exercise Clause' in the First Amendment. The Establishment clause prohibits the government from "establishing" a religion.  The Free Exercise Clause protects citizens' right to practice their religion as they please, so long as the practice does not run afoul of a "public morals" or a "compelling" governmental interest. 

    These clauses were never meant to be a means of keeping God out of government, but the government out of any citizen's right to worship GOD as he or she pleases.  Take your 'pussy hat' off and try actually reading the Constitution and its Amendments....you know, that thing that gives you the freedom to make morons out of yourselves.  

    Start here:  http://constitutionus.com/

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  • Alan Ned Sabrosky7 months ago

    Says a lot about his district. Tulsi Gabbard (D-2nd district HI) had a town hall meeting two days ago. She opened it with a prayer, and people were respectful. These pussies have no notion that Congress (both houses) has chaplains. Also the supreme court. And they do not understand at all what the Framers meant - simply that there would be no Church of the United States.

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  • Lee Jenkins7 months ago

    Someone needs to just jump up and beat their asses.  You know, sort of like the tactics they would use.

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    • Jeff7 months ago

      Lee-I agree.  They need a good ass kicking.  If they don't like starting off with a prayer, just sit there quietly, don't repeat the words but act like a normal human being: oops the article said they were democrats.  Strike the words "normal human being."

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  • @Coach7 months ago

    I read that they can barely GIVE those P***y hats away! 

    How totally disrespectful to women those stupid marchers were! Madonna? Judd? PLEASE PEOPLE!! They are just has-beens looking for 15 minutes to appear asinine and get their picture taken, and it worked! They looked ridiculous!

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  • Patrick7 months ago

    Separation of church and state was an ideal that Thomas Jefferson wrote in a letter to a seminary. It is not in the Constition

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  • Gary A Adler7 months ago

    These speakers should ask these idiots where in the Constitution says separation of church and state. Then explain to them that they need to go back to school and learn how to read. Embarrass them in front of every one, ask them their name and where they are from. Maybe they will stop attending these meetings with the idea of disrupting them.

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  • Dee Dee Matthews7 months ago

    Someone out there...show me where in the Constitution it says "separation of church and state" but I won't wait for you because it is not mentioned at all in the Constitution. A lot of people are under this common misconception. There is no such thing.

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  • Mike7 months ago

    So sad! So lost! So angry!

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  • David C. Lannan7 months ago

    This kind of behavior was one reason I didn't vote for Hillary or Bernie... The Democratic party has turned anti-Christian in their efforts to appeal to LGBTQ and Muslims and others. It is always about the votes for them. Not about doing the right thing. Our nation was founded on faith in God. Most of the Founding Fathers were either deists or Christians. Boy how our country has fallen. If there truly is separation of church and state, then churches should not have to file as non-profits in order to not pay property taxes, etc. they should already be exempt. They should not have to fear losing that status if they preach against homosexuality and other sins. Our country is a moral cesspool and people often wonder why there is so much hate and crime. It is because too many have turned their backs on God. 

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    • @Betty7 months ago

      You are SO WRONG ITS PEOPLE LIKE YOU THAT HAVE NO IDEA WHAT THE BIBLE SAYS OR THE MEANING IF YOU DID YOU WOULD ERASE YOUR MESSAGE AND PRETEND YOU NEVER SAID WHAT YOU SAID.  SMH 

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  • Rachel7 months ago

    I'd be willing to bet these haters wouldn't have said a word had it been an Islamic opening prayer.

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  • @Magnolia7 months ago

    This is despicable behavior and a concerted effort to make Republicans appear to be losing support. All about the 2018 elections. What the fools are to stupid to see is that these organized stunts at townhalls and on our Sens and Reps Facebook pages is causing what used to be known as moderate Democrats to bail out of this insanity by the scores. Any halfway sane person would never want to be associated with these goons.

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  • James H Forsythe7 months ago

    What disgusting people!  They should have been thrown out of the meeting.

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  • Pamela Humphrey7 months ago

    These liberal and democrat activists continue to show themselves as pandering to a new low - between Warren and Waters and Polisie and the rest of them (will you look at the ridiculous and tasteless garb!) they are turning the majority in the country off- including a huge amount of women who have no intention of being affiliated or identified with these classless human beings Who show themselves as thoughtless, bigoted, ignorant  and disrespectful people who claim to be compassionate,  concerned and for "freedom" of expression. I guess it is only if we buy their point of view- if not the rest of us are worthless, bigoted, racists. such colossal hypocracy on a scale that boggles the mind. 

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  • Camille Gilliam7 months ago

    If you don't believe in God then don't go to the Town Hall meetings. The rest of us have a right to what we believe. You will be the one to have to answer to God when your time comes.

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  • Kris7 months ago

    How pathetic can these God-less, soulless "people" be?....

    Separate protesting pussy activists from the country!!!

    Thank you for all of your many services Lt. Bergman... God Blessed you along the way, as he still does today.. You are a great and loyal American.

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  • Cc7 months ago

    I can't support other beliefs when my own are disrespected. I am Christian. I am proud. But I will not make myself to look like an ass disrespecting others. Shame on those that disrespect God!

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  • garyZ7 months ago

    I can't help wondering if they would have shouted down a muslim who started with a prayer.  My guess is no.  Or a black democrat for that matter.  Their hypocrisy and inconsistency is blindingly obvious.

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  • Katie7 months ago

    Sorry about spelling - should 

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  • El Pauls7 months ago

    If I wore the "pink pussy hat" I would be labeled a 'very bad person' by some 'very bad people'.  What is next for the people who 'boooed'?

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  • Anonymous7 months ago

    This is embarrassing to say the least. They may have been democrats, but they were disrespectful and very disrespectful to God. I would hope that those very people do not classify themselves as fellow Christians

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  • Jack Roth7 months ago

    That's one way to detect Liberal Snowflakes. Take advantage of it.

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  • De McClung7 months ago

    Yada yada yada!  Cluck cluck cluck!  Mythological nonsense belongs in a museum of Dark Ages era human history.  No SANE person believes that rubbish.  The fact is, Christians are simply not smart people.  Respect comes from being respect-able.  Christians certainly are not!  For one thing Christians are overwhelmingly rude, for another, they are delusional, a mental illness.   Many are bullies and most certainly it is a trait of Christinas to be hypocrites.  Praying in public is frowned upon by the very creed that Christians claim to follow.  Their arrogant self-righteous  attitudes are anything but respectable.  We are under no obligation to respect fools and their absurd notions.  Period!

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  • @Droid7 months ago

    "Separation of church and state" is NOT in our Constitution ..... I challenge ANYONE to find it. It's not there. However, the concept is extremely important, and it was a major component of the shaping of our nation. As brilliantly written in the book "The 5000 Year Leap" by W. Cleon Skousen, our founding fathers wanted to STOP the abhorent practices of the monarchial European governments, and in particiular England's suppression religious liberty by TWO main strategies. (1) Church leaders were ALSO made into government leaders, and (2) Voting rights were tied directly to church membership. Our founding fathers put a stop to those government-derived religious suppressions as they formed the United States. Christianity however, was a major part of American life, and today we are lacking the morals and family values taught by Christianity.

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  • David Shultz7 months ago

    It means the government cannot imposed a religous belief upon the populace. However it  does not mean that you cannot practice your faith in public. If you wanted to pray you could, if you didn't you didn't have to. Freedom of speech for all, right to assemble peacefully for all, the right to worship of your choice for all. Without interference. ty Toledo Sgt 

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  • @Vinuzzo7 months ago

    Well, you can thank the Warren SCOTUS for buying Madeline Mrray O'Hare's line of bullshit.

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  • Richard H. Milewski7 months ago

    Separation of church and state means no state sponsored religion.  I am an atheist but I have no problem opening the event with a prayer.  I won't pray but I have no problem with those who do.  Believe what you want as long as you don't try to force your beliefs on me.  This goes ESPECIALLY for Sharia law!

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  • R A Goodstein7 months ago

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  • @tombo7 months ago

    I like to protest these people at their front door to their house if they have one.I am sick of these protesters with no morals.This is what is wrong with America.I like to know the names of all these protesters so if their a list i like to see it.

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  • John7 months ago

    how would you people react if a muslim, hindu, or jew got on stage and gave a peaceful opening prayer? especially a muslim...  Probably with the same "disprespectful" tone that you are reacting towards these folks. The double standard is obvious here.  You all need to stop being whiny snowflakes and accept the fact that your not everyone believes the garbage that is in the bible.  Congratulations on letting the emperor Constantine brainwash you all these years later.  Enjoy your worthless myths!

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  • Chuck Seitz7 months ago

    Seperation does not mean elimination. Actually the 1st Ammendment to the Constitution states: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press, or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." Once again these 'Protesters' have no clue what they are doing. They are just shouting ignorant blather.

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  • Angelia Purvis7 months ago

    Wow.  If the church were in the state, they would have been forced to shut up and bow their heads.  Instead, they were allowed to do what they did.  

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  • Roberta King7 months ago

    Libs need a "LIBOTOMY"!  In this case the misspelling is intentional but the point is spot on!  They won't take me to Hell with them.

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  • Ben7 months ago

    First off!!!  There is no mention of "Separation of Church and State" in the US Constitution!  This however does not mean it is a Constitutional right or not ok.  What it is referring to is case law by the USCOTUS Case of Everson V. Board of Education.  I will allow you to read it.       

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  • Lisa Osborne Nolan7 months ago

    This is exactly what is wrong with America today.  

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  • Sherril Williams7 months ago

    I am so disgusted with these rude ass people!!! U know the old saying ,  if u can't say anything nice than don't!!! Stomping on others rights scream Nazi to me!!!! Ugh ! Uneducated morons! 

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  • Sam Snyder7 months ago

    Pink is a good color for those morons who know nothing about the Establishment clause of the first amendment. Hopefully, they will get pink eye.

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  • pc7 months ago

    @Coach, I hope this helps. The constitution nor the amendments say nothing about "Separation of Church and State." Here's what the First Amednment says: "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances." 

    You will notice that the words, 'separation', 'church' or 'state' appear nowhere in the text. If James Madison had ment that he would have written that. Jeffersons's letter to the Danbury Baptists is where the phrase "a wall of separation between church and state" is taken, and the use of it today is completely the opposite of what Jefferson meant. He was stating, that the government needed to butt out of matters of religion; otherwise the world (government) would corrupt the church. Anyone who has read the DOI cannot possibly believe that religious thought has no place in US government policy or practice. Read it: he cites "the laws of nature and nature's God", "Creator", and "Divine Providence", as stated in the closing statement of the DOI: "And for the support of this Declaration, with a firm reliance on the protection of divine Providence, we mutually pledge to each other our Lives, our Fortunes and our sacred Honor." 

    Therefore, these sloppy idiots chanting "Separation of Church and State" are anarchists, and anti-American. Unfortunately, there are many in the USA who are just as ignorant as these loudmouthed brats--many of whom are now teaching in our tax-payer funded universities--who never grew up. 

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  • Thomas Pike7 months ago

    Totally agree with Marina! Thanks for telling it like it is.

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  • Thomas Pike7 months ago

    Thanks George for the history lesson. God Bless America!!!

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  • Tony Curran7 months ago

    This is a perfect example of how the Libeals & demoCraps have Brain Washed some US citizens ,, AGAINST the values of our Nation. 

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  • Diana Williams7 months ago

    Why don't they all move to Syria, I hear there are a lot of vacancies!!!  GOD BLESS AMERICA!!!!!!

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  • @ourmissbrooks7 months ago

    Thank you General Bergman. We have allowed them to make God take a back seat for long enough. He has given America a second chance and we had better be thankful enough to acknowledge who is really in charge.

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  • Dixon Harvey Dudderar7 months ago

    It is important for critics here to know that many of us in the crowd -- who are NOT Trump or Bergman supporters -- were not OK with (1) the booing and disrespect shown the pastor, and the congressman, and (2) at the same time don't feel it's "OK" for an elected public official to push his religion, via a Christian prayer, upon his audience. An audience, I might add, who are his "employers" ... his consitiuents. What if -- however unlikely -- 50% or more of the people in the room -- again the people who EMPLOY Rep. Bergman -- were Muslim or Jewish Americans? What's the point of tossing Baptist prayers at them? Again, I am very grateful for Rep. Bergman's past service to his country. But -- again -- he should know that we are a big, diverse country with many beliefs, values and faiths. The "business at hand" at the town hall meeting was governmental policies. Not religion. Lastly, everyone in the room stood and pledged their faith to flag and country. If everyone here would remember WHO works for WHOM, this wouldn't be an issue? 

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  • Joe7 months ago

    Low life scum bag azzholes

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  • @Conrad7 months ago

    The disolution of the United States.

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  • Gerry Box7 months ago

    When class, respect, and good manners were handed down, all the Dumbocrats in this country said "no thanks". They do not have one single iota of these things.  Wish we Republicans had started doing this with the rsghead obummer's people.  But, we have to remember - what goes around comes around.  Our turn is coming.

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  • Esteban Berberian7 months ago

    If it had been a Muslim call to prayer they would have all been scrambling to find rugs in a cold sweat. Typical cowards who only have the courage to boo Christians. 

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  • Linda Ann Burson Webb7 months ago

    Sounds to me like there was some people planted in the meeting to cause the uprising. But......Revenge is mine, I shall repay. 

    Also faith without works ia dead.

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  • Stan Pohl7 months ago

    The Declaration of Independence states that we are endowed by our creator with unalienable rights. This statement means that the people give consent to their rulers to be governed and not vice versa. It is the very foundation of our democracy. Destroy it and you destroy our freedom. Religion values the individual while leftists value the state. That is why throughout history they have set out to destroy religion and in the process have killed millions of their own people. God save us from their twisted ideas!

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  • Larry Branstetter7 months ago

    Americans may not be Christian, but Christians are certainly Americans. Our rights don't end as we leave the church doors, not does it end when we enter a public meeting, school, or government building. Separation of church and state is a horrible interpretation of our Constitution.

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  • @cyager697 months ago

    The General should have just left the townhall, had the doors and windows boarded up with the people inside and put a torch to the building. All of the problems would have been solved. Wonder how many of them would have broken into prayer as they were burning alive.

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  • Chuck7 months ago

    These bitches that are wearing the "pussy" hats should exchange them for air force style "cunt" caps.  Much more appropriate for those that are wearing them!

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  • Brian D. Sylvia7 months ago

    They should have been DRAGED FROM THE ROOM . . . by the "Hair", if necessary. There is BULLSH_T you "Put up With", an BULLSH_T you "Don't" . . . there it is !.

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  • @Mr_Anderson7 months ago

    Well to all the whiny people in here just throwing out the "they are just disrespectful libtards" nonsense it does not matter who they are they could be all christians from a different sect for all i care there are over 30,000 sects of chritianity and other religions.  The fact is that the retired general vilated the rights of others and disrepected them by violating the saparation of church and state by pushing his beliefs on others.  They had every right to protest period just like you all would get furious if they allowed an Islamic preeceher hold an Islamic prayer at such an event publicly or any other religion that is not your own.  You are all hypocrites and no different then the social justice warriors by acting like "oh that freedom is only valid if they have the same opinions as me".  time to start earing the respect rather then acting like you are automatically entitled to it.  

    Christians have created the far left liberal SJW's had it not been for the constant attempts to brain washing every one and make them hate themselves for the way they are born or treat them as lesser for having different opinions and wating to believe in their own way or to reject belief until evidence is provide.

    Also the fact that you all depend on science makes you hypocrites since science goes against everything your bible/books teach.  so no more medicine, electricity, cars, or any modern technology better go join the Amish.

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  • Kathy Jo Wilson7 months ago

     I am so freaken sick of these liberal fascists hypocrites!!  For all their screaming and demanding respect, acceptance and tolerance for who and what they are and what they believe, while they in turn show absolutely no acceptance, tolerance or respect for anyone that has a different view point then theirs. they are the very bigoted fascists they claim to despise!! 

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  • Ken Cordle7 months ago

    I need a little help here. I'm reading my copy of The United States Constitution, and I'm drawing a complete blank reading the section that explains Separation of Church and State. Because it's BLANK. It's not in there! Further, that idea comes from letters and speeches written or given by some of our Founding Fathers. Notably Thomas Jefferson. Further the point of these communications was so he COULD PRAY in public without fear of persecution! That anyone could. That there would be no State Mandated Religion and Citizens could worship freely. The General is a citizen. He's allowed to pray. His praying is not mandating any religion. It's openly practicing his.  Which was the point! How this got turned around is baffling. Swing and a Miss Lefties. And you once again prove the amount of class you possess is exactly equal to your knowledge of this subject. ZERO! As Usual.

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  • Marty Conomos7 months ago

    1.http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/mar/7/george-soros-gave-246-million-partners-womens-marc/  MASTER OF CHAOS  Master of CHAOS when it happens he makes money big time & so does the corrupt DNC this monster is their   PUPPET MASTER.  They want TPP & sunk a lot of money into it that's why they are fighting Trump like a bunch of RABID HYENAS. TPP is a thousand times worst then Clinton's NAFTA that was the beginning of the end of JOBS & growth in America.  He buses and pays these violent protesters & CAIR a muslim brotherhood org defends them if they are arrested.  He gave HC 7 million & expected her to win.  He has a warrant for his arrest in Europe Russia and e& his radical orgs are banned in Hungary.  https://youtu.be/Sq3YihX8X3k

    Trump was right ****George Soros who is Hillary’s son in laws uncle*** is funding numerous protests and owns over 200 radical organizations.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIxhcvBbty8

    PROTESTERS ADMIT Soros pays them.  BHO & HRC are in on it too. The DNC aids & abets this criminal who has warrant for his arrest in Europe for creating CHAOS with protests, manipulating the Banks and Hedge funds HRC & BHO aids & abets this criminal

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  • Taylor Hoynes7 months ago

    @Coach

    Coach “What is truth?” I am glad to see you have an open mind and are looking for answers.  I wrote a book “Republic Or Democracy Is There A Difference” a Handbook on the founding of America’s government in their own words, actual documents and not “Revisionist History”

    I have a link provided to the Chapter 25 “Separation of Church and State”.  If you are interested I invite you to read it and let me know what you think.

    As I said in the Introduction this is not a religious book, but it is about a religious people.  ‘These are their beliefs.’ These are facts that happened.

    “It is error alone which needs the support of government. Truth can stand by itself.  Subject opinion to coercion: whom will you make your inquisitors?”

    President Thomas Jefferson 1781 Notes on the State of Virginia, Query 17

    Reference: Jefferson: Writings, Peterson ed., Library of America 

    Without Truth Liberty is Meaningless. CLICK ON THIS LINK TO GO TO CHAPTER PAGE

    http://www.colonialpublishingco.com/read-a-chapter/

    OR COPY & PASTE 

    Good luck in your search.

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  • Dolores Zuffante-Hallaert7 months ago

    What is happening to our world when a retired General in our military (served to protect our rights) opens with a prayer of thanks and hope??  He is not forcing a religion on anyone that was what "separation of Church and State is all about not a prayer of thanks and hope.  These people are ignorant idiots.  Through God I hope that these people will see grace.

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  • Marcus David7 months ago

    Most of these are hired or remnants of the pussy hatted far left. No respect for America. Just their version. Anti first amendment pigs who will continue to tear the nation asunder. Arrest em all. Give em felony records. 

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  • Rick Curtner7 months ago

    I wonder what the old guy in  what looks like a vfw hat was thnking while sitting there.  He probably thought sit down you morons and let the meeting commence.  But he was to principaled to say anthing.  It didn't look like there were to many people shouting some were standing probably out of respect. Its a wonder somebody didn't try to tear the flag down and burn it.  By the way nice beard not.  

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  • Stacie Howard Booth7 months ago

    Too many fail to grasp the real meaning of "separation of church and state" as addressed in a letter by Thomas Jefferson. He meant that the government would not institute a state church, such as what occurred in England. It does not mean to exclude God from government. These people were trampling upon the rights of others.

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  • Wayne Cook7 months ago

    It has always been the Liberal mime that Conservatves are a bunch of closed minded miscreants who climb out from under a rock to thump their bibles and chastise others who believe differently than themsleves.  Those chracteristics are on display here as the Liberal mindset is shown to be closed while they harrass others who think differently than themselves.  Conservatism is for thinkers who venture off the beaten path, Liberalism is the broad road tread upon by simple followers.

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