I first read all these comments, and thought to sum my response up in 2 letters F U. This attack was horrible as was and is every attack on the innocents. These people are as innocent as the ones prior in london and around the world. You cant have selective outrage to terrorism. And if you do, youre as stupid as the people doing it.
@sam you are correct, we can hope that the Muslims who have been attacked see the importance of watching and turning in those they know to be radical before it happens again, which it will to be sure. Maybe it could be somewhat of a wake up call for those who have been silent from their community. I believe this mosque used to preach radical ideology, but now is moderate.
Agreed, But people did inform the government about the radicalization of the person that bombed the Ariana concert but nothing was done about it. So good people are coming forward, but liberal governments don't want to believe what they are being told. And conservative governments are being fought against by the liberals every time they try to do something. They only act "after" the fact. The government is always 5 paces behing...in every aspect...EVERY aspect. They wait until a small problem becomes a big problem before they try to fix it and then their attempts always fall short of what really needs to be done. There is ALWAYS a loophole, there is ALWAYS a way for someone to get around the new law that is eventually created. For whatever reason, weakness, being PC, or pandering to some special interest group or lobbyist, they are not putting their citizens first, and innocent people are paying the price.
Great Britton has had to deal with almost one attack a week...it it long past time to send people into mosques to find the Imams who are preaching Jihad....those Imams need to be arrested and locked up....solitary confinement to prevent further radicalization efforts.
I realize that Islamist Extermists have declared war on all non-Muslims.....they have vowed to KILL ALL INFIDELS......Europe is becoming their first major battle sight......
It is possible they are reluctant to start here in the US because of the number of citizens who own and are proficient with firearms. Prior to WW11, the Japanese Emperor noted that Japan could never win on US soil because "There is a gun behind EVERY BLADE of GRASS"!
Islam started in the Middle East. The Crusades (if you went to school in the last twenty years you didn't learn this) were a Christian invasion of the Mid-East to stop the Muslim World Caliphate from conquering the known world of Europe and Asia. America had not yet been discovered. Islam was mostly confined to the Mid-East and parts of Asia. Fast forward 2000 years to today. Muslims are again trying to form a World Caliphate by the simple expedient of killing all non-Muslims. They have expanded throughout the mid-East, killing in Iraq, Iran, Syria, Egypt, Libya, and moving into Africa to kill there. They are now into Asia and Europe, and across the English Channel into Britain, killing there also. President Trump tried to ban them from the U.S. but was overridden by U.S. Circuit Courts, who claim that citizens of foreign countries have the same Constitutional Rights as U.S. citizens, despite not living here or taking the lawful steps necessary to become U.S. citizens. (It's not at issue here, but how could Trump "conspire" with Russians who have the same Constitutional Rights we have as stated by U.S. appeals Courts?) The point of this comment is that Muslims are here, by order of the U.S. Federal courts. Do you think they will not kill here? Oh, my mistake, they already have! Do you think they'll stop if we ask them nicely? What's your opinion?
John, you asked, "What's your opinion?" My opinion is that you should go back to school. The crusades are still taught as are the basics of U.S. government and U.S. history, including checks and balances, the importance of an independent judiciary, and our key value -- freedom of religion. Almost everything you said was factually incorrect or distorted. For one thing, your hero Trump is insisting that he is not trying to impose a Muslim ban -- so maybe, at the very least, you could get that part of your tirade correct to support him.
You failed to mention that the Crusades were opposed by large numbers of Christians back then. You also failed to mention that the Crusaders did not only attack Muslims but they massacred Jewish people as well. After their victory one of the leaders promised protection to the people of Jerusalem who surrendered, but then proceeded to murder every man, woman and child on their way into the city in "celebration" of their victory. The Crusades were not some righteous battles over control of the Holy Land, they were simply slaughter.
I watched a live interview last night with a younger man who was at the scene and witnessed the entire event, including the capture of the one individual. The news interviewer specifically asked the man if the captured driver said anything while he was being held, waiting on police. His response was "no, he didn't say anything". He repeated that. Now this article is claiming the guy shouted a statement of intent. "You guys deserve this". Hmm? Who's telling the truth?
OH,SURE. Now hat the muslims are getting attacked it's a "TERRORIST ATTACK THAT WON'T BE TOLERATED" SAYS THE Muslim Mayor. But when it was the Christians attacked by Muslims then it was something that "we had to get used to"...! Face it. It was payback given to the Muslims in this "one fed up Brit's" mind. So How do they like it???
William, the mayor's quote about the London Bridge attack was selectively edited (or to give him the benefit of the doubt, misunderstood) and taken out of context by our president as has been widely reported. The mayor said the citizens had "to get used to" lots of police presence after the attack. Furthermore, that attack was secular, and included victims of many different faiths, as well as people who do not have a faith -- not just Christians. The mayor's faith is irrelevant: he has proven himself to be a mayor of all citizens.
Of course running people over with cars is wrong, however, Prime Minister May, look at the difference in the crowd response before you condemn the attacker. When Muslims attack non-muslims, there is an out pouring of sympathy for the victims. On this attack, what did the Muslim crowd do? They tried to stomp the life out of the attacker. They are NOT your friends...send them all back where they came from...they want to live in the stone age, let them.
This is exactly what happens when the government does nothing to protect its citizens and allows and protects “Refugees” that are committing crimes against them. Remember, ISIS said they will infiltrate the refugees and attack us in our own countries. You can call them innocent if you want to, but the Muslim community knows who the radicals are and are doing nothing about it. That makes them all just as guilty. Innocents, what a funny word. If you know someone that is going to kill people and you do nothing about it, are you not just as guilty?
Maybe the Muslim community better use this as a wakeup call. If, and I use that term loosely, there are any peaceful Muslims, it’s time to round up your radicals and turn them in before more of you are “Mowed” over again. The kids at the concert were innocent victims. They were not hurting anyone or planning any attacks. They were not solders or a part of any political party. They had no agenda but to have a good time. That’s what innocents looks like to me.
Kevin, how do you know the Muslim community knows potential killers in its midst? Does/did the Christian community know all the terrorists in its midst? Who prevented Christian terrorists such as Timothy McVeigh, Edgar Ray Killen, and Jeremy Joseph Christian?
Timothy McVeigh is always used as a left wing balancing act. Bring up islamic extremists, and the left tries to balance with a so called Christian. He admitted to Time mag. in 1996 he had drifted away from faith. He was not a practicing Christian.
Jeremy J. Christian is plainly nuts. Hated Hillary C. and circumcision. On his facebook page stated he wanted to cut the heads off of people who cicumsized their infant boys. Referred to himself as a Viking and cited numerous pagen gods and goddesses. Wanted to kill HC. and much, much more. So yes, people did know he was in their midst. No, not a Christian man, but a political, pagen lunatic.
E.R. Killen- kkk, fire and brimstone preacher. I'll give you that one. None of them killed in the name of God. None of them killed on behalf of a religious ideology.
One vs tens of thousands.
Razzberries, My point was that finding and reporting people in your midst is not always possible. I gave three examples of "Christian" terrorists -- and the reasons you gave for two not being Christians could also be given in many examples of terrorists who come from a Muslim background: some of them are really secular (as was the founder of ISIS) and some of them are psychopaths. I could give you many more "Christian" examples from the KKK, abortion clinic bombings, the IRA, and from heresy trials of the past, some of whom did their terrible deed in the name of God. But what is the use of that? I do not believe there is such a thing as Christian terrorists (I used that term ironically) or Muslim terrorists -- just terrorists, some of whom distort and misuse religion. To stereotype and spew hate speech toward a whole community (American Muslims) will just alienate the very people whose help we as a country need. From my experience, those non-Muslim Americans who are most hysterical are those who have never had a Muslim neighbor or, in some cases, have never even met a Muslim.
"Alienate the very people whose help we as a country need." We must live in different countries, as I have yet to see the helpfulness here in the US.
Similarly, many believed the Trojan Horse was an impressive offering of good intentions. Amazing what can happen when one chooses to let their guard down, and follow the crowd.
Then there are the psychopaths indoctrinating their children to be psychopaths. How comforting.
Well, we don't live in different countries and we can seek out data to see beyond our own prejudices . Although it is difficult to always know the terrorist in our midst, Muslim American tips have been very helpful in rooting out terrorism. Since 9/11 (to 2014), they have reported 54 of 118 cases of suspects or perpetrators where the intial tip was made public. Government investigations count for 52 cases. In the same period, there have been over 190,000 murders in the U.S., 37 of which were the result of terrorism by Muslim-Americans. https://sites.duke.edu/tcths/files/2013/06/Kurzman_Muslim-American_Terrorism_in_20131.pdf
Terrorism does strike "terror" and so is especially harmful psychologically, and it is a problem that we must fight, but let's do so rationally with the cooperation of our peaceful Muslim-American neighbors who could help identify any Trojan Horses, to use your metaphor.
I think you misunderstood my metaphor. They are part of the Trojan Horse. The part that is hidden away. Silently waiting for everyone to'fall asleep', or in this case, put down their guard.
You might find a false sense of security through data. Unfortunately, data cannot tell you the severity of the next incident, where it might occur, or when. A 13 year period three years past, is what was, not what is.
As for 190,000 murders in the US, 37 attributed to terrorism, merely reflects the difference in population sizes. As the sizes begin to balance (as liberals are pushing for), the number of attributed crimes will rise as well. One needs to only look at the EU to find truth in that data.
Razzberries, I agree with you that data does not tell us everything, but it definitely is part of the equation -- and your interpretation of the data definitely needs to be flushed out with numbers. And I did understand your metaphor, but I reframed it to redefine "them and us." If you honestly feel that to be born Muslim is to be born evil, then no one can convince you that those who want a world without terrorism can work together. I would point out, however, that even our President seems to understand that simple truth in his own twisted way -- he made a Muslim country his first stop on his first foreign trip and danced with the Saudi princes (though they have an appalling human rights record and cultivated to some extent the terrorists of 9/11). Please don't assume I have a sense of security, false or otherwise. My world, like your world, is changing rapidly with scary challenges. I try not to let fear be my guiding principle. I don't think liberals are trying to "balance" the population. I would like to see immigration be safe and fair and humane, based on rational criteria, not hysteria.
Agree completely. I was questioning the author of the article. When I see something reported different than the statement given by an eye witness participant (especially one saying opposite of what you expect to hear), I have to question it's truthfulness.
What I am wondering and perhaps someone can give me an answer. It is against the law to view or have in possession child pornography on one's computer and the perpetrator is charged with the crime. Why can't our government make the same law for those accessing radical Islam sites or at least accessing information to build a bomb or commit a terrorist attack? If not allowing perverts to access child porongraphy is a crime why can't it be the same with radical Islam propaganda and plans on how to commit a terrorist attack. To me this would give the government the right to at least detain suspects in their sites sometime to prevent the suspect from carrying out the attack and investigate where the information is coming from and who else is involved in the circle.
Twiganne, I believe the law about child pornography exists to protect the children being exploited in the photos; in other words, the law is not directed against free speech or free access to information but against child exploitation.