Ex-Pence Aide Claims Trump Officials Told Her to ‘Spy’ on Dr. Birx

Olivia Troye, former homeland security and coronavirus adviser to Vice President Mike Pence, says Trump officials instructed her to “spy” on former White House coronavirus task force coordinator Dr. Deborah Birx.

“I was told that I was to watch her, that she was not to be trusted because she was a Matt Pottinger hire,” Troye said during an appearance on MSNBC on Monday.

She added, “You’re asking me to spy on this woman that I’m sharing an office with, who is on our team when we know that this pandemic is about to be out of control. We know that people are going to get hurt and this is where the focus is?”

Watch her comments below:

Troye weighed in on Birx’s claim there were parallel streams of COVID-19 data coming into the White House.

She recalled telling Birx, “You know that there has been an effort to manipulate the data, to downplay this virus.”

Troye explained there were moments when data would appear, and she would not know who created it.

“I would literally run down the stairs of the West Wing to [Birx]’s office, shut the door and show it to her and say, ‘Did you make this?’ She would be like, ‘No, I thought you made it,’ and I said, ‘No,'” Troy said.

She continued, “So then we would both run around trying to figure out who did. I mean this is the chaos of this response.”

During an interview with CBS’s Margaret Brennan, Birx indicated she still did not know who was providing the data, as IJR reported.

“I saw the president presenting graphs that I never made. So I know that someone, or someone out there, or someone inside was creating a parallel set of data and graphics that were shown to the president,” Birx said.

She continued, “I don’t know to this day who, but I know what I sent up and I know that what was in his hands was different from that.”

Birx also told Brennan she “always” thought about quitting Trump’s task force.


  1. no names of officials who told her to spy, hmm. If she can’t(or won’t) name them, that doesn’t make her very reliable which makes her perfect for MSNBC. Besides she probably wants a job Putting out wrong info seems like a thing Fauci would do.

  2. when they told her to spy they meant to see if birx was the one stealing the toilet paper rolls…WTF are all government workers this dumb…

  3. whats that old saying about chickys that wear pearl necklaces hmmm bet she can humm the star spangled banner and not spill a drop.

  4. This is what happens when elected officials don’t know anything about infectious disease. One can blame Trump but he is no more clueless about the subject than 99.98% of all other elected officials, and the reporters who write about what they say.

  5. I’m not sure what to make of this, but if Ms. Troye is so gutsy NOW to come out and blow whistles, where in the hell was her courage back when she was frantically trying to find the data sources? If she held her tongue then, wasn’t she as complicit as anyone – or even more – because she could possibly have changed the trajectory of the virus had she just spoken up? How about Dr. Birx? Where was her curiosity about the data sources?
    “She ‘always’ thought about quitting…” Wow, famous last words… Why didn’t she? Why didn’t Dr. Birx? With all of the skepticism and Trump-hate over this, if this is true they could have been heroes who helped bring “truth” to what has been portrayed as a total failure by the Trump administration. If it actually was a failure, which I don’t believe, they THEY were part of the failure.
    …sounds pretty fishy to me…

    1. Rats coming out of the woodwork. What a ridiculous story….again.
      Shoulda, woulda, coulda! Perhaps they are hoping for a position in the Biden ( cough cough) empire.

  6. That’s not spying. If the President and his close aides know that someone is reporting bad info and they ask an office mate to check on the other person, that’s going to solve the problem. Either the office mate will know it’s herself, or when she talks with the other person, it will let her know someone knows of a problem. One or the other, if either is issuing bad numbers, will either quit changing numbers or remove themselves from the administration. That’s a boss finding out what’s going on. And if neither are aware they should tell their boss, not scream spying!

    1. Agreed, but a point here is that neither one of them (Troye or Birx) DID remove herself, or apparently expose what they thought was bad information.
      Must be a book deal here – pretty convenient that NOW she is so concerned about the American people…

    2. HOW successful do you perceive your plan worked when it was the boss that was spreading the misinformation? When Dr. Fauci contradicted Trump at the briefings, Dr. Fauci and his family received death threats. The taxpayers had to provide 24/7 security.

      When 2020 is reflected in history books, future generations will question the sanity of believing public health recommendations from pundits with a legal degree and a real estate businessman and threatening to kill the scientists.

    1. WHERE is it that we look to see her work on eugenics? There is extensive documentation of her past work on HIV AIDS, but this is the first mention of Dr. Birx and eugenics in the same sentence that I have found.

      1. I asked her one time about that eugenics thing and she just looked at me a little strange and said ” I dated a guy who was named Eugene…. is that your question ” so, maybe not….

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