Prototypes for President Trump’s Wall Can’t Even Stand Up to a Common Saw

Wait, what?

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After hearing about it constantly for years, we still aren’t any more sure that Donald Trump is going to get his border wall. We seem to be at the moment of truth with Trump rumored to be considering declaring a national emergency to try to push through the funding, but that tactic seems sure to get axed as unconstitutional in the courts.

Most Democrats argue that a wall wouldn’t work even if Trump did get the money he wants for it (he’s asking for around $5.7 billion). In response, Trump and his surrogates have become addicted to offering anecdotal evidence, phrases like rich politicians have walls around their houses so walls must work or, sometimes, if he’s feeling religious, the Vatican has a wall to protect the Pope.

Trump even trotted out border agents to the press during a surprise White House briefing, and the agents told the gathered reporters that walls work.

But recently, we got another bit of evidence that maybe walls don’t work. NBC News obtained a photo of tests that showed the results of a saw on a prototype of the “steel slat” wall that Trump has been advocating for, and it looked rather dismal.

And these weren’t military-grade saws — the outlet reported that “personnel were instructed to attempt to destroy the barriers with common tools.”

Trump has decided to say that Democrats actually asked for the steel barrier.

“At the request of Democrats, it will be a steel barrier rather than a concrete wall,” he said during his address to the nation Tuesday night.

But there’s no evidence that Democrats ever asked for a steel barrier instead of a concrete wall. Speaker of the House Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.) hinted in her recent address that she would be open to more infrastructure and technology on the border, but she’s said repeatedly that the wall is off the negotiating table.

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Screwtape
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Screwtape

What part of “prototype” is unclear?

WellHungChad
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WellHungChad

It was NBC who rigged Chevy truck gas tanks with model rocket engines to show they would blow up in a side impact collision…with some help from igniting the rocket prior to impact’ They also rigged Ford Windstar vans by cutting out the rear axle trailing arms and replacing them… Read more »

Leftiesrloony
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Leftiesrloony

Phoenix and Soft in the head, how stupid of you to get sucked into NBC’s rhetoric. You can clearly see these are proto type walls and in NO WAY indicates the structure that eventually would be used. I can see you are truly suckers for fake news ploys! If you… Read more »

Phoenix
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Phoenix

If you are calling out my post, are you saying that after the wall is built then there won’t be major expenses in terms of maintenance and repair for years to come?

I’m skeptical on how effective this will be long term, but I’m also not against a wall.

Leftiesrloony
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Leftiesrloony

The minor costs of maintaining the wall will in no way compare to the savings of lives and the squelching of drugs coming across the border!

Phoenix
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Phoenix

I think if we build a wall and all conditions remain static then you would be right. The reality is that those moving drugs will just find another way if this actually cuts off their routes. But i understand some need a wall to feel safe so build the wall.… Read more »

Screwtape
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Screwtape

There’s an old saw about things well-built being easier to maintain. The “wall” per se won’t stop the drug flow. Not so long as there’s a market here AND we fail to adequately inspect all vehicles/persons at ports-of-entry. Let’s also remember the submarine/aquatic smuggling which takes place. Just as we… Read more »

Screwtape
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Screwtape

Legalize it. Regulate it (the DEA now has a new mission). Tax it.

But do not in any way offer benefits, aid, or subsidies to those who overindulge. That’s enabling. Freedom of choice has consequences.

Phoenix
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Phoenix

I agree with this actually.

Rocky Drummond
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Rocky Drummond

Conservative costs for maintenance are rising. The libertarian CATO Institute estimates the annual cost of our current wall at $900K PER MILE.

https://www.cato.org/blog/cost-border-wall-keeps-climbing-its-becoming-less-wall

Screwtape
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Screwtape

Per the DEA, the majority of drugs are by vehicles via ports-of-entry, mail (q.v. fentanyl shipped from China), or shipping containers. We MUST fix these via more inspections and technology. I agree that saving citizen lives is important there’s also this to consider: how much are illegals costing us in… Read more »

Screwtape
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Screwtape

Not if combined with surveillance and mine fields.

Consider the Brownsville, TX wall. Extremely effective, but backed with sensors, patrols, etc.

Phoenix
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Phoenix

Yes, i would agree with incorporating technology. That would be a much more robust deterrent.

Screwtape
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Screwtape

Let’s be honest. The wall will work. q.v. the mass charges of caravaners/invaders attempting to overwhelm BPS agents, but it won’t be alone. To paraphrase Dan Crenshaw, walls impede physical movement. q.v. Nancy Pelosi’s estates. Real bullets. Mines. Armed UAVs. Seismic sensors (tunneling)(also warns of Grabboid incursions, q.v. Tremors). Too… Read more »

Screwtape
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Screwtape

Let’s also remember the “back end”. Close the immigration loopholes which encourage these false hopes, allow spurious asylum claims, and, worst of all motivate the exploitation of children.

Phoenix
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Phoenix

Agreed, which is why i am saying the wall itself is a small part of what needs to actually be done to resolve the issue.

WellHungChad
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WellHungChad

Phoenix and Softinthehead, if you are skeptical of the wall being a deterrent, then I challenge you to remove the front door from your house. After all, if burglars truly want in, they can simply break your door down. No worries!!!

Leftiesrloony
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Leftiesrloony

Besides its immoral to have a locked door on your house.

Phoenix
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Phoenix

Has a burglar ever broken a window rather than get through a door? I’m only saying if they want in, they will find a way to get in. A wall is a temporary deterrent. I do not think it shouldn’t be built, but this isn’t going to solve all our… Read more »

Phoenix
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Phoenix

While I’m at it, since you are posting this witty comment about doors on every article. Can you give me the percentage of people who were burglarized who had a door on their house vs those did not?

WellHungChad
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WellHungChad

What part of “wit” don’t you understand? Apparently none of it!! If your theoretical people didn’t have a door, why would the burglar need to break a window? Thank you for proving my point!…Although you’ll never understand how you did it. For some, no explanation is necessary. For others, no… Read more »

Phoenix
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Phoenix

My point was a wall is not an end all solution. In your example of a door on the house I proved that by noting that people are still burglarized despite a door being in place. So in the instance of a wall, people will burrow under, climb over, go… Read more »

Phoenix
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Phoenix

Which is why this wall, no matter what its made of, is going to be an ongoing expense of maintence and that will forever be just a temporary deterrent.

Phyllis Softa
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Phyllis Softa

Well, that can’t be good news. So, are we on countdown to a twitter rant of “FAKE NEWS. Don’t believe what you see and hear The truth isn’t the truth” ?

WellHungChad
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WellHungChad

Ms. Softa, even the article admits that what’s in the photos are PROTOTYPES. I know it’s complicated (for a 5 year old), but PROTOTYPES are built for design evaluation purposes, and are not necessarily representative of the final design. You also missed the point that this was NOT Trump’s preference,… Read more »

TOM
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TOM

What is missing in this article and the NBC hit piece is what “common” tool was used to saw through this piece of prototype fence and how long did it take. I can go to my rental center and rent a gas powered cutoff saw and get a concrete or… Read more »

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