Conservative talk show host Ben Ferguson sparred with CNN political commentator Bakari Sellers on Wednesday over which side is to blame for the recent attacks on Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE).
The alleged shooter, Joshua Jahn, opened fire into the ICE facility in Dallas, Texas, and killed two detainees before taking his own life from a self-inflicted gunshot wound. Ferguson and Sellers argued over who the real target was, given that the shooter engraved the message, “ANTI-ICE” into the bullet casing.
“This is the third attack we’ve seen in Texas. In the same district, as the man in charge today was saying, this is the second time he’s had to have a press conference today,” Ferguson began.
“Who was killed today?” Sellers asked. “Who was killed today? … Don’t put words in my mouth. Yeah, who was killed today?”
Two illegal immigrants died as a result of the shooting, while no ICE agents were killed. Ferguson stated that no innocent people should be shot, but that Democratic politicians’ hateful rhetoric towards law enforcement is influencing a rise in attacks.
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“I’m saying that the division that you all are sowing in this country—” Sellers began.
“I’m not sowing anything, I’m saying protect all law enforcement. [Democratic California Gov.] Gavin Newsom went on TV last night and did you see what he said? ICE agents are authoritarian. You don’t think that inspired someone to do that?” Ferguson asked.
Sellers then accused Vice President J.D. Vance of creating division in the U.S. by calling on Democratic politicians to stop demonizing ICE agents during his speech in North Carolina on Wednesday. Ferguson argued that conservatives are not the ones carrying out most of the politically motivated attacks.
“We’re not shooting people. We’re not shooting people. The left is shooting people and they’re being inspired by people. I have a friend who got shot and assassinated two weeks ago,” Ferguson said, referencing the death of Turning Point USA founder Charlie Kirk. “I’m a little hot on this one because you guys have been irresponsible with the rhetoric. It is coming out from people on the left.”
Democratic California Gov. Gavin Newsom labeled ICE as the “largest private domestic army” and argued that the agents’ arrests are part of President Donald Trump’s so-called “authoritarian tendencies” during a Tuesday appearance on “The Late Show with Stephen Colbert.” Several other Democrats have made disparaging remarks about ICE since Trump’s crackdown on illegal immigration began in January, including Minnesota Gov. Tim Walz, who stated that ICE is Trump’s “modern-day gestapo.”
Democratic New York Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez stated in May that ICE is a “rogue agency that should not exist” and Democratic Texas Rep. Jasmine Crockett compared ICE agents to “slave patrols” during a Friday appearance on MSNBC. Democratic Minnesota Rep. Ilhan Omar said on Aug. 25 that ICE is “beyond reform and should be abolished.”
The latest incident follows other violent attacks on ICE facilities since President Donald Trump took office. Authorities have charged at least 11 individuals in connection to an ambush on an ICE facility in Alvarado, Texas, in July, which led to the injury of a police officer who was shot in the neck.
An active shooter also shot at Border Patrol agents at a facility in McAllen, Texas, in July.
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