The back-and-forth between former MSNBC host Joy Reid and Turning Point USA president Erika Kirk intensified after AmericaFest 2025, with Reid using her platform to double down on sharp personal and political attacks.
According to Fox News, the clash traces back to remarks Kirk made onstage at the conservative conference, where she poked fun at Reid during her opening comments.
Kirk joked that Reid could use a āreally good hugā and quipped that she would even touch the back of Reidās head.
The line was a callback to Reidās previous criticism of Kirk over the way she hugged Vice President JD Vance at a Turning Point USA event.
Reid was unmoved by the gesture and responded forcefully on her show the following day, revisiting her earlier criticisms and rejecting Kirkās offer outright.
āThe last thing I will say to Erika Kirk is this: Dear young lady, I donāt need a hug from you,ā Reid said. āFirst of all, I would never let you get close enough to hug me ācause I donāt trust you. And second of all, I donāt know if anybody ever told you ā youāre pretty young ā but donāt be offering to touch Black womenās hair. We donāt allow it. This is not the 19-teens. Itās not the 1920s or the 1930s. You cannot come up to me, touch me, or touch my hair. It wonāt go. I donāt allow it. So, donāt offer to do that because thatās not going to happen.ā
Reid also revisited her controversial commentary involving Vice President JD Vance and his wife, Usha Vance, standing by claims that her remarks were being mischaracterized.
āMAGA is the one doing the racism. Not me. All Iām saying is the ultimate MAGA fairytale would be for JD to leave Usha Vance alone and go run off with Charlie Kirkās widow. It brings like the houses of MAGA together,ā Reid said.
She went on to argue that criticism aimed at her comments ignored what she described as broader issues within the MAGA base, particularly regarding race and gender roles.
Turning her focus back to Kirk, Reid suggested the TPUSA leader should concentrate on managing her organization and navigating expectations from conservative supporters.
āYou need to take care of minding your business, which is to keep that $80 million rolling in and figure out how youāre going to get those White Christian nationalists who follow Turning Point USA to understand why you working and not home with your children who now donāt have a daddy,ā Reid said. āYou are now a single mom, which they oppose.ā
Reid closed by returning to her criticism of Kirkās public appearances and interactions.
āYouāre going to have to now figure out how youāre going to explain to your Turning Point USA base why you working and why you out rubbing on JD Vanceās back of his head and offering to rub on the back of mine instead of home with your kids because their ideology is that your behind should be in your house. Thatās all Iām going to say.ā
